There is a suggestion Mr Miller was coming to her aid when he was also killed. [21][73], The death sentences were commuted to life imprisonment on 14 August 2020 following a royal decree to commemorate King Vajiralongkorn's birthday and "illustrate the king's clemency". Miss Witheridge's family said "senseless" photos of the crime scene had added to their agony. "So for an hour the families of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller looked and listened as crime scene pictures were shown in court.". The suspects were initially denied access to legal counsel, and alleged that police used torture and threats to secure a confession. [1], A defence team from Bangkok, composed of nearly 20 lawyers, were only permitted half an hour to meet the men; a request by the defence to delay the hearing and allow more time to prepare was denied by a judge at the Koh Samui Provincial Court. Police have, however, agreed to hand over the garden hoe which was the murder weapon, along with a shoe and a plastic bag. They say traces of at least one man's DNA has been found on Miss Witheridge's body. The prosecution says a DNA match between samples found on Miss Witheridge's body and the two defendants is central to its case. geez why did montriwat in his old days sprint in his knickers through town, without shoes, at 4am of the murder night ? 2023 BBC. I stumbled across these once a few years ago and I really wish I hadn't seen them. I was forced to look at these photos for a DUI class when I was 14 because I was caught smoking weed. [15], Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo retracted their statements following a visit from a consular lawyer for Myanmar and said they had made their statements under duress, after they had allegedly been beaten, left naked in a freezing room, and threatened with electrocution and an extrajudicial killing. It has over 100 hotels and resorts and was deemed the busiest diving centre in Southeast Asia in 2014. [10][32] They highlighted a British tourist who had shared a room with Miller as a suspect, labelling it a "crime of passion"; he became the subject of a nationwide manhunt before the police quickly dropped the lead. Thai police take DNA swabs and footprints of migrant workers yards from the scene of the murder of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller on the island of Koh Tao. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. He was travelling Southeast Asia with a friend after completing a six-week work placement in Australia with a mining company,[6][8][9] and arrived in Thailand in August. "Thai courts make little allowance for the feelings of relatives," he said. [48][35] A 900-page police report was produced to guide the prosecution's case, but the defence were not allowed to see the report until the trial began. Neither did we. 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'Countless times, I have logged in to Facebook and seen statuses made by people who know both Hannah and I, who have gone out [to Thailand] anyway. Mr Miller's body was discovered with severe head injuries several metres away, he said. Kick-off time and live stream details, Arsenal can pull five points clear of Manchester City in the Premier League title race with a win over Everton, but Sean Dyche's men will provide a stern test for the Gunners, Why isn't Liverpool vs Wolves on Sky Sports or BT Sport? Dunno if this is what your looking for but emmet till. by potty Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:48 am, Post . [55], The defence claimed that the investigation was flawed due to mishandling of forensic evidence, lack of legal representation during interrogations, use of threats and intimidation to secure a confession, and intimidation of witnesses. Hannah, 23, and her friend David Miller, 24, were found dead on a beach on the Thai island of Koh Tao. 11:58 GMT 20 Sep 2014 The Mirror reports that Hannah's family have pleaded for the photos of the pair, who were brutally murdered on a Thailand beach, to be taken off the internet. I definitely don't think I could handle actually seeing them. Police and court systems were hacked or taken offline in the following days, and a stash of personal information obtained from the court's servers was posted publicly. [31][65] Jane Taupin, an Australian forensic scientist brought in by the defence, claimed that the timeline of DNA extraction was dubious; a rapid analysis of DNA samples had happened in less than 12 hours,[34] which she said was unusual because "extracting DNA from mixed samples was difficult and time-consuming". Their bodies were found on a beach on the island of Koh Tao last September. Hannah Witheridge & David Miller. GRAPHIC crime scene photos showing the corpses of English backpackers Hannah Witheridge and David Miller have surfaced online, traumatising their families. Five days since the murder police are no closer to catching the killer. Then, in June last year 47-year-old German Bernd Grotsch was found dead near his home on the island after what authorities described as a heart attack or snake bite. . Prior to your posting to Thailand you must have received a report of this country in terms of its corruption, poverty, murder and crime rates. It will take a bit of time to find loopholes to appeal. The Koh Tao murders involved the death of two British tourists in Thailand in 2014. Home Office pathologist Dr Nat Cary said Miss Witheridge had died from severe head injuries, consistent with multiple blows from the blade of a hoe wielded as a weapon and it was likely she would have died 'rapidly'. Block of flats among this week's plans Block of flats among this week's plans, Four-bed cottage with amphitheatre style gardens is for sale for 745,000, Defence from Riley Peckham continues as he explains relationship with his father Defence from Riley Peckham continues as he explains relationship with his father, 'You stupid boy!' [54] They argued that the defendants intended to kill Miller, using a hoe to hit him multiple times on the head. But they were found innocent by an all white jury. I'm not even following that rabbit hole because all I had to read was Porsche Girl, I've seen it before and it's bad Just to clarifyshe was NOT a dui. and 'why do you care?'. A CCTV video of a woman running near the scene is described but not released. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. They were then recorded at 12.55am leaving, stopping in a convenience store for a toasted sandwich, before walking back to their bungalow. An inquest into the death of Miss Witheridge which was held in Norwich in February 2016 heard how her family described her as 'a fun, vibrant and beautiful young woman'. As of July last year, the total stood at ten. She spoke out last November at the sentencing of sadistic troll Paul Hind, 38, who was jailed for 14 months at Newcastle Crown Court. [47] Thailand's National Human Rights Commission attempted to investigate the allegations, but police representatives did not appear at four scheduled meetings. Police believe that, just like in her murder, the two latest victims may have been killed by fishermen who swam ashore in order to target foreigners. Our hearts are broken, our lives are shattered once more. Abandoned blue sleeping bag, tents and several wooden shelters are found in woodland close to where police Don't just stick to the Malbec! Could you please describe them? by potty Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:52 am, Users browsing this forum: Google Feedfetcher, Newinkow, phuketrichard, yong and 69 guests. Powerful Commons committee could look at case for banning stoves in towns and Love Island hit by hundreds of Ofcom complaints from furious viewers over 'toxic femininity' row and Movie As easy as buying a loaf of bread: Undercover footage reveals how laughing gas is being sold from local Could Northern Ireland become the UK's Silicon Valley? [39] Following an interrogation, during which police say Zaw Lin admitted he had entered the country illegally, Zaw Lin was arrested and his clothes and motorcycle were seized as evidence. They had been brutally beaten to death just a few feet away from their hotel rooms. Immediately after the hearing, the two migrants appealed to the families of Miss Witheridge and Mr Walker, asking them to co-operate in seeking a royal pardon from the Thai king. US firms waiting in the wings read to pump 'billions Parents' fury as schools STILL won't tell them if they are closed tomorrow as teacher strikes continue. Miller had scratches on his back and water in his lungs indicating drowning. It was just straight up sped that killed her. [2] In 2014, the island had a population of around 5,000 locals. -, Press J to jump to the feed. The images shown to the court were graphic, reports Jonah Fisher in Thailand. David Miller 2014; But last month their final appeal against their conviction was dismissed by the Supreme Court in Thailand which ruled that the forensic work was handled by respectable institutions and there was no proof of torture. There were TRACES of cocaine, but that didnt contributeit was a small amount from a day or more before. So sad though! "[56] Attempts to appeal the sentence to the High Court in 2017 were unsuccessful. Last month, the tragic revelation that backpackers Hannah Witheridge, 23, from Norfolk and David Miller, 24, from Jersey had been murdered on the holiday island of Koh . He was found hiding on the boat later on 2 October. by potty Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:51 pm, Post David Miller & Hannah Witheridge murdered on Thailand Island, Re: David Miller & Hannah Witheridge murdered on Thai Island, http://www.bestgore.com/murder/british- -raped-05/, http://www.bestgore.com/murder/british- -raped-01/, http://www.nationmultimedia.com/nationa 43997.html, http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news es-4402767, http://www.mizzima.com/opinion/intervie to-his-son, Epstein's island: dubbed by locals as Pedophile Island and Orgy Island. (Pics), South Africans turn to Phnom Penh private investigator Declan Miller to get home. [1] After initially failing to find a match to one of the migrant workers, the police focused their attention on Western tourists related to the victims. [28], Due to concerns the murders might affect foreign tourism into Thailand, the national authorities sought to expedite the investigation into the murders. He was last night accused of smearing a murdered British backpacker to protect his countrys tourism industry. Police say it could be of a witness to the double murder, a suspect or of Miss Witheridge herself. Hannah Witheridge, 23, from Norfolk and David Miller, 24, from Jersey had been murdered on the holiday island of Koh Tao. [1][4][24] Witheridge's body indicated she had been raped. Rex Features. While collecting forensic evidence, tourists and locals were allowed to walk on the beach. The picture of his mother standing over his coffin is just heart wrenching. In 2017, Belgian Elise Dallemagne was found dead in the jungle of Koh Tao in what police said was suicide by hanging - though her family rejected that explanation. [15] Experts have considered the forensic investigation to have been incompetent, and to have possibly framed the suspects. Live TV coverage explained, The two go head-to-head for the fourth time already in 2023 when they meet at Anfield on Wednesday night, but the match won't be shown on television in the UK, Police recover Cheltenham Festival trophy that was stolen from Sheffield silversmiths, The Grand Annual Steeplechase Cup, the Cheltenham Festival's oldest trophy, was taken in a burglary in February but is back in safe hands in time to be presented at the showcase meeting in two weeks' time, Jeremy Clarkson responds amid speculation over Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? The family of Mr Miller from St Helier, Jersey, who was battered and drowned said after the trial of the migrants that they accepted the verdict. Attempts to appeal the sentence failed, but a royal decree was issued by King Vajiralongkorn in 2020 commuting the death sentences to life imprisonment. Verdicts in the case are not expected until October. The Student Room and The Uni Guide are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd. Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. A lot of expats have both lived and worked in Cambodia and Thailand, and this area is a place to discuss all aspects of life in Thailand and what's going on there. He announced that he had "ordered all security-related agencies to track down those who are behind the Myanmar demonstrations". [15] Public prosecutors initially rejected the report, asking for "certain flaws" to be fixed, more information to be supplied, and for the report to be made "more succinct". David and Hannah were found bludgeoned to death on this Thai beach early in September 2014, shortly beforeLin andPhyo were arrested. After the discovery of the British tourists' bodies on a beach on Koh Tao, police said Hannah, from Norfolk, had been raped and bludgeoned to death while David, from Jersey, had suffered blows to his head. [88][89] Hacker group Anonymous published a video on 3 January 2016 criticising the verdict. The Student Room and The Uni Guide are both part of The Student Room Group. [11][19] Several other suspects were also named, amid pressure to produce results, a new one every other day. High 62F. I have never had the courage to look. Lining people along the beach, they measured their feet in order to make a comparison to footprints left in the sand near the murdered Brits' bodies. The family said a funeral on Friday would be a private party to celebrate her life. David's body is in the water in the picture captioned 'Photo of the resort' - just saying as I missed it several times when the pics first came online. The last pictures - on night backpackers beaten to death: New CCTV revealed as Thai police investigate copycat killing theory. [59] The defence struggled to find members of the public willing to testify at the trial, as many feared retribution,[1][60] hence their alibi was not considered convincing by the court. Hannah Witheridge 2014; After searching, All rights reserved. They stated they were driven by a desire to rape the victim following sexual arousal when they saw the couple kissing on the beach. The father of murdered British backpacker Hannah Witheridge has wept as graphic photos of her body lying on a Thai beach were shown in court. Pathologists and legal experts criticised the police for mishandling the evidence, allowing contamination of the crime scene and failing to use experts to collect forensic evidence. Excluding the black dahlia (elizabeth short) and the jack the ripper case, what crime scene photo's seriously disturb you. The men displayed no emotion as they listened intently to a translator while the verdict was read at a court in the province of Nonthaburi, just north of Bangkok, the capital. [33][34] Over 200 individuals on the island, many of them migrant workers, were tested in mass DNA testing. Her parents who are separated had pleaded with not to go on her backpacking trip to Thailand because they feared for her safety, Laura (pictured) died on Monday, with her family saying today that their pain is 'indescribable'. This could technically be counted as a crime scene as she was DUI but the aftermath of Nikki Catsouras (Porsche girl) crash is engrained on my brain forever. DeSantis won't say he's running. Virat Asavachin (Mr Ban) 2002; [35][84] Despite not initially being permitted to assist with the investigation,[33] British police observers including homicide detectives from the Metropolitan Police and a forensics expert were eventually permitted into Thailand to observe the investigation. 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Check r/crimescene - the two most disturbing on that was i) Little boy decapitated by his father in a murder suicide and ii) the British girl raped and murdered in Thailand. They also raised concerns with the absence of legal counsel prior to the confession, as well as difficulties with translation and interpretation. by potty Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:29 am, Post Lawyers for Phyo and Lin also claimed that forensic evidence used to convict them was contaminated and should be thrown out. September 16: DNA samples taken from the scene do not match those of any of a reported 12 suspects. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. [61], On July 10, the court ordered the DNA to be retested. Diving centre in Southeast Asia in 2014 [ 2 ] in 2014, beforeLin! 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