All the retreats, big brother making sure you attend mid week activities (I know of some megas that were playing around with a card swipe for staff to make sure they were attending services and staying), the need to be cool, your personal assistants doing your clothes shopping, etc, etc. I sat on a committee for two years which did nothing but brainstorm ways to increase retention rates and decrease progression time through our programsour biggest nightmare was the student who didnt get connected to some group, we knew they were likely to get lonely, drop out, go back to their hometown and become a settled-in townie. The term sometimes used is secure email. No quid pro quo to substantiate. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkOke2noyc The Buckner Show has been cancelled; we now return this time slot to the regularly-scheduled Wartburg Watch.. Prestige of Willow Creek? This is only the tip of the iceberg. We would use the suite for meetings, as well as gatherings for medical professionals. (My family attended when I was in elementary and middle school.) Whether anyone associated with any of his accusers is a jerk or not, I fail to see the pointunless, of course, the point is to smear whoever accuses him so that people will think twice before bringing forth any more stories. One thing Im certain of, Bill Hybels would NEVER have hired men like Paul or Peter to be teaching pastors at Willow. Jodi Walle, who worked for John Ortberg, has written a note. Peoples boundaries and privacy should never be breached unless specifically invited or welcomed to do so one way or the other. Joss Whedon Is a Hypocrite Preaching Feminist Ideals, according to his ex-wife Kai Cole in her guest post on *The Wrap*. Or is this site simply about wholesale condemnation, I am so glad to hear that you are well versed in the Scriptures. One of the grandkids hugs on the yorkiepoo all the time. Now, you should go back and read about victims and try to learn why this open letter hurts real victims. Older churches tend to have better systems in place for transitions and maybe enough history to understand that a church is not one man. Too many missed opportunities to do the right thing. I have going to professional society meeting for over 30 years, and hospitality suites are expected/ the norm. So many Christians mix this whole thing up. Jodi may want to keep her resume refreshed. I am absolutely sickened by this situation. Heinous, but nice. Jesus is our model of leadership. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLT3Cb96-Mk. Actually, those are the tools of the enemy, formerly called deception and it is THAT which God desires to rescue us from. I believe that God is convicting WCCs leadership. That isnt good for anyone. I was extremely uncomfortable with Hybels repeatedly reminding the church he was the one leading the charge to empower women. Unless, of course, its useful as an excuse I did respond and said that I loved Billy Graham I allow comments like this to stand so people can see problems I have experienced within Big Eva. This is my church and I dont think there are any loliests but there are people who want a full accounting. Give, and it will be given to you. I believe the accusers in this case especially since you corroborate that they knew the difference in a hug and a hug. God is always present, even in the hard and dark times. As with many couples, there were times we couldn't imagine making it through another year, let alone another decade or two. Why are you slamming the Bride of Christ? To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. Perhaps its just honest ignorance, perhaps its denial. Ok, gotcha. Hybels led many. @ Lydia: Anyone who says otherwise or who tries to slam someone for not telling immediately just doesnt know what theyre talking about. (Source: https://vondadyer.weebly.com/blog/vonda-dyers-statement-re-chicago-tribune-and-bill-hybels). Rather, I think it is their twisted view of both God and humanity. Brothers Dont Shake Hands, Brothers Gotta Hug. Tommy Boy, its definitely legit and very well written. Are you really saying we would not judge anyone for anything? Even as red flag after red flag goes up, we push them aside (btw, I now view red flags as the Holy Spirit calling out Warning, this needs careful thought.). This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. But one thing I know, we have a choice in our behaviors. It works but is it the faith? @ dee: If they were sent and stored in a encrypted format, then you would need the key to open them and read them. I informed my boss. I mean, most say they want the truth. In the end the price has already been paid by Jesus and its Only By Grace that we enter.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv72Q23lIp0. Cant people be sincere and caring without all that? The statement was wrong in every way and since there is a great possibility that the group is very concerned and just seeking truth. Is that one of the reasons Student Centers/University Unions include Mall Food Courts and all the amenities of a high-end cruise ship? But Hybels and Willow Creek kept moving forward. How can leadership send an OPINION to the entire congregation? As for BIll HybelsI have not judged his salvation. Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? For most, even for insiders (like I used to be, 2x an elder) it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself! And many of them are, perhaps a number that would shock us all. My NPD/Sociopath brother once set up a long con against our stepmother, grooming ally after ally FOR SEVERAL YEARS in his TRVTH! The logical conclusion of B. Brucker position is that ends justifies the means. People will walk away from Jesus Christ because Billy Hybels is not who they thought he was? @ Lea: The beast must be fed. I would add that based upon reactions of his followers here, it becomes more obvious why. These things were the normal and the personal assistants was more than happy to go along. Sadly, this woman does not understand how business is conducted. But If you make a big deal about nothing, you are the problem. In this case, not only Peter but Barnabas and others were getting caught up in inerrant action that impacted Christian fellowship. But, still I try not to broad brush. Mary, you judge day in and day out. This stemmed from a Gospel of Personal Salvation and ONLY Personal Salvation (everything else was All Gonna Burn) where the only thing God would ask on J-Day was How Many Souls Did YOU Save? and the numbers in your sales record would be all that determined your position and rank in Heaven. I hope you are right about this. I cannot imagine the pain, the hurt. This is about strange behavior which was tolerated because one guy knew how to build a church and bring in money. The works of an evangelist is to call people to Jesus. There is more to this story. 1 kiss Now its over. (That last one is pure fun in a mega church because you have to trust the elders/boards. Our job is to call. I cannot imagine the pressure that your sister is experiencing. Thank you for that comment, Lydia. .just a minor point of information. You gotta really watch out for people who hug themselves. Of course Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus. @ truthseeker00: When youre the victim of something creepy, such as abuse, suggestive sexual behavior or private narcissistic rage or whatever ugly thing from a pastor who holds himself up as a paragon of virtue, people often feel embarrassed at having been involved in it, even if they had nothing to do with the wrongful actions. I mentioned how I recently read of a church where the IT had a deal with pastor to delete specifically his e-mails I laugh and say fat chance I can get him to do that for me! @ Davis and Natasha: I worked for a large pharmaceutical firm. free. An honest person has nothing to hide and everything to gain and will save things because he is safe in the knowledge that evidence will only prove his innocence. . Forgiveness after repentance is one thing (and a rare thing if someone never actually admits to anything beyond a mistakes in judgment were made public spin). @ Law Prof: I believe the world is far more interested in Christians who know they are sinners and deal with it as opposed to Christians who are actively trying to keep the sin thing on the down low. There are some 20 gifts mentioned in Scripture (Romans 12, Ephesians 4, 1 Corinthians 1213). Ive been thinking along similar lines for a few days, and its relevance to the question, How could this happen in whats been consider a pioneering egalitarian church?. Whats being destroyed is the idol worship of Bill Hybels. The retiring pastor calls it all collusion and lies. Or would he start looking for material for making a whip? If you have to go along with the silliness (never with evil) make sure you are being paid. I dont know if that all makes sense. Lynne Hybels did not respond to messages seeking comment. There is a small but growing movement among evangelicals against unique friendship for Israel, embodied by the recent "Impact Holy Land" conference hosted by Evangelicals for Social Action in Philadelphia. This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. That is more unusual these days. Is it the lack of family having your back? And David C Cook did not remove Tullian Tchividjians books at the time, though when I checked just now, it appears the only one they carry is the biography of Billy Graham for which he wrote the foreword. Once again, you are doing Satans work not Gods. And what is important here is that authoritarian control, often gained through emotional, spiritual and or sexual abuse is frequently used to establish control and enable institutions to achieve whatever it is their true agendas are. . If I felt uncomfortable I removed myself from the situation and spoke up. Rats gnawing cables in two; Its what someone mentioned in another thread about 75% of people go along with whatever to be accepted. Peter Led about 3000 to Christ on the day of Pentacost. Why wait until now?? he is still a . Senior 501(c)3 Willow Creek management apparently did not throughly examine the extent of the personal witness/testimony/allegations at the time of presentation. Ive told her about the many intelligent comments here! @ Julie: Bye! So your mind overrides your gut. : Dee, is Julie a new commenter here? READ MORE: Brian Scotto Net Worth Books Some of his published books are: The Power of a Whisper: Hearing God, Having the Guts to Respond; Too Busy Not to Pray: Slowing down to Be with God; Simplify: Ten Practices to Unclutter Your Soul; . At what point did Nancy inform her husband? If you all think that personal shopping is sex abuse, you need to get real. Open Discussion Page. William Edward (Bill) LaBarre of Marietta passed away at his home at 1:52 AM Saturday, February 25, 2023 surrounded by his family. It is the Spirits job to convict and change.. They said they could look him in the eye and discern if he was telling the truth. Might I suggest this might more accurately say that sexual predation is not always based on wanting to have sex? Thanks, all! You tell your kids That was wrong. Look up who are semitic people. Bill also admitted that the woman alleging an affair had spent many nights at the Hybels home when Lynne was out of town. She felt even more blessed when in 1985 Mr. Hybels and his wife invited her to move into their home, where she shared family dinners and vacations. Being gracious, forbearing people who do not want to hold our pastor to the standard of perfection, we persuade ourselves that we misread the situation, misunderstood the words, are making too big a deal of silly things, and so on. I have been doing this for 9 years and that is jus plain baloney. If I were a member, I would call for a complete replacement. She also questioned her own judgment in whether he was actually being inappropriate. psychology today says that When we hug or kiss a loved one, oxytocin levels increase; hence, oxytocin is often called the love hormone.. Further, just Google and do a You Tube search on Willow Creek Church and Bill Hybels. My potty-mouth made me do it (Mark Driscoll) I tell you, when someone like BH is exposed, people come out of the woodworks to defend their celebrity hero and attempt to discredit the victims. But, the cat is out the bag. Sigh. Dont get me started on how mega churches operate. This is about strange behavior which was tolerated because one guy knew how to build a church and bring in money. The kids tried to sue the board to no avail. Bill Hybels, (formerly, William Hybels) was born on 12 December 1951 in Kalamazoo, Michigan, U.S. If it is impossible for the man to keep his hands to himself, then it is the responsibility of the women to activate their own tell-the-difference perception and act accordingly. Usually the founding family (Baratheon, Lannister, or Kim) is also the board and the successors and everything gets ripped apart in the resulting family feud/power struggle. That has got to be trans-species perversion right there. Exactly. We NEED a full and unbiased accounting. The people there sold out to it will protect it at all costs. That was the exact thought I had while walking the dog this morning! Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. Her pastor said that her body belonged to her husband and he could do whatever he wanted to do. 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